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RE: age of (grown-out) oak coppice stool

Subject: RE: age of (grown-out) oak coppice stool
From: David Archer
Date: May 28 2020 08:19:37
For a detailed explanation of the relationship between trees/hedgerows and 
differing field sizes try, "Trees in England - Management and disease since 
1600" by Williamson/Barnes/Pillatt (2017)

Kind regards

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-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> 
On Behalf Of Jerry Ross
Sent: 27 May 2020 20:02
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: RE: age of (grown-out) oak coppice stool

Many thanks, Rupert, for that detailed exposition!


From my mobile

On 27 May 2020 19:20:31 "Rupert Baker" <rupert_baker@xxxxxxxx.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Jerry,
Historical terms for land use - synonymous- more of less - with Olly 
Rackhams' ancient and planned countryside. Several country is small 
fields, hacked higgeledly-piggeldy out of the woods/wild/waste/ 
"valuable natural habitat" over millenia;  usually random shapes; 
small - much hedge-grubbing has increased sizes since WW2; but the 
ones round the site were averaging
3-4 acres in the 1880s; bigger than in S devon, where they were often 
only
1-2 acres, and with big banks all around. This is very different to 
either the saxon open field systems, or land taken from commons and 
laid out under enclosure acts with straight roads, geometric field 
boundaries. - Read John Clares' poetry re the evils of enclosure - 
which didn’t happen much down here; most of the land was already 
farmed by families in separate holdings even in the middle ages. We are on 
the Celtic fringes......
Read Rackhams a History of the Countryside; or, if travelling in 
France (after Covid..) contrast the Bocage of Normandy with the Champagne 
Country...
Devon-Banked hedges can date back well over a millennium, or even 2; 
so coppice stools on an ancient parish boundary bank may be quite old. 
Trees on such hedges tended to arise naturally by slow colonisation - 
such banks were stock-proof of themselves, so didn’t need mass 
hedgeplanting with elm or thorn or blackthorn as when hedges are 
planted on the flat; but the timber from them was a valuable resource, 
and managed as such. The stool may well have been on the hedge to a 
wood rather than to a field Incidentally, the maiden trees on site, 
with similar dbhs as the larger stems on the stool, are around a 
century old, by ring counts on stumps from recent fellings; so I 
reckon for a coppice stool to get that wide you'd have to go quite a long 
way further back in time.
Cf the small-leaved lime stool at westonibirt; though that is quite a 
bit wider Atb Rupert

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info On Behalf Of Jerry Ross
Sent: 27 May 2020 17:28
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: age of (grown-out) oak coppice stool

Hi Rupert.

At a guess, somewhere between 100 and 600 years.
Or possibly more. (Almost certainly not less)

But perhaps you can be more helpful than I'm being by explaining "
'Several' (French Seurall), rather than 'Champion' (Fr Champagne)...."
   ??  Not terms I've come across


On 27/05/2020 16:58, Rupert Baker wrote:
Hi all,

One for the collective mind - whilst doing a tree survey, I have just 
come across a very fine old multistemmed oak - 7 stems, 3 smaller - 
25-35cm; 4 bigger - 60-66cm; 25m tall. Its base, on an old hedgebank, 
covers 5m along the direction of the bank, and 2+m across it. Q. 
robur not petrea.

I have been wondering how many times its been pollarded in the past - 
ie how old it is as an organism. It - and most of the oak around 
about
- are 'sprouty' rather than clean-stemmed, so would coppice and 
pollard well; there is one old pollard on the site, but most of the 
trees are younger, either maidens or singled /double coppice stems in 
what was an old wood.

The hedgebank was on the edge of a small stream (now culverted) 
running down to a slightly larger one, according to old maps, with 
parcels of woodland, and scrub and coppice, all around. Its on heavy 
clay - good oak growing ground - and some of the woodland parcels 
look to be ASNW; it is in ancient countryside in Mid-Devon - 'Several'
(French Seurall), rather than 'Champion' (Fr Champagne); on the 
boundary between two parishes - one with a village, the other 
enucleated; so it might well have been there for some time..

Any thoughts welcomed



Atb

Rupert








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