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RE: Translocation of Herbicide/Chemicals no longer approved

Subject: RE: Translocation of Herbicide/Chemicals no longer approved
From: willross583@xxxxxxxxxxx.com
Date: Sep 22 2020 17:03:31
Jerry,
          There were a number of chemicals which either had ingredients 
changed or are no longer made due to changes in chemical regs and cost of 
testing , these were things like renadene (not sure about spelling ) a 
repellent for deer and rabbits.
Will 

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info <uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> 
On Behalf Of Jerry Ross
Sent: 21 September 2020 23:07
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: RE: Translocation of Herbicide

It's a very effective stump killer and much nicer than SBK. Water soluble and 
breaks down quickly into ammonium sulphate, an inorganic fertiliser. So no 
questionable persistent residues to cause problems. And cheap, which is why 
it's no longer licensed: it was deemed not to be commercially viable to put 
it through the licencing procedure. (I was told)


From my mobile
On 21 September 2020 22:46:57 "willross583@xxxxxxxxxxx.com" 
<uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> wrote:

Jerry,
        I remember Ammonium Sulphamate being  used amongst other things 
such as 
        brushwood killer mixed with Diesel or Oil. Think I'll stick with a 
strimmer 
        or just thought we have Roe on site who are happy to munch any 
unprotected 
        tree growth and it will hopefully keep them away from Hazel shoots.

Will

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
On Behalf Of Jerry Ross
Sent: 21 September 2020 17:01
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: Translocation of Herbicide

Ammonium sulphamate was good stuff if used properly. (And it's still 
available - you just have to ask for compost accelerant!). But I did 
have an incident where a less than conscientious employee (I'm being 
polite
here) who had been sent off to treat some stumps evidently shovelled 
the stuff on and killed adjacent trees about 5m away. Not sure if it 
was root grafts; I suspect he might just have poisoned the soil.


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Standarda The weird thing is that 62% of the reviews are 5 star!
e.g.   Reviewed in Germany on 7 November 2019:  5.0 out of 5 stars Super :)
Verified Purchase
"pick pick pick und 1 Jahr später war die Wurzel kaputt :) perfekt"

(One wonders if the wurzel was kaputt already)



On 21/09/2020 16:16, elsteadbysea@xxxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
Only use if killing all the trees as other have commented there will 
be root connections.
Long gone are the treatments for individual stumps, one was Ammonium 
sulphamate

I see that copper nails are available on Amazon for killing stumps, 
30 nails for £8.24.

Phillip


-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> On Behalf Of Tahir Sharif
Sent: 21 September 2020 15:51
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: Translocation of Herbicide

We've used neat glyphosate on stumps in the orchard with no 
discernible effect on adjacent trees (4.25mtr between rows, 3 mtrs between 
trees).

Is it the type of weedkiller, or species? There must be root grafting 
going on in our plantings at such high density.

Tahir

On 21/09/2020 15:45, steve vessey wrote:
Yes, I've had experience of this also. Thinning a line of ash trees 
on a roadside verge 20yrs ago,  removing every other one and 
treating the stumps with an approved herbicide. All of the other 
trees without exception severely declined as a direct result of the 
herbicide. They did recover slowly, just in time to get Ash Dieback and 
die recently.
I would never suggest using the said herbicide again where adjacent 
trees are to be retained

Tree Generation
Lincolnshire
07719 XXXXXX

On Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 14:50 oldoaktree@xxxxxxxxx.net, < 
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> wrote:

Agreed. I have seen poplars stumps which have been treated flashback'
to other poplars over 10 metres away.

Instant results with a stump grinder though. Saves getting the goats in.

Cheers

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
On Behalf Of willross583@xxxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: 21 September 2020 14:32
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: RE: Translocation of Herbicide

Kevin,
       I agree and will not even suggest treatment trees of the 
same species are to be retained nearby, probably best to strim off 
as its in a POS so livestock may eat other trees ,escape or end up 
supplementing someone's diet all of which are rather difficult to 
explain to the client !

Will

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
On Behalf Of Kevin Slezacek
Sent: 21 September 2020 14:20
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: RE: Translocation of Herbicide

I've seen a mature lime die off within a couple of years due to an 
adjacent lime being felled and the stump treated. This was clearly 
from root grafting so yes clonal suckering of Poplar is likely to 
result in death/ decline of neighbouring trees. Control might need 
to be regular cutting or perhaps grazing?

Kind regards,

Kevin Slezacek
-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
On Behalf Of willross583@xxxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: 21 September 2020 14:06
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Translocation of Herbicide

All,

Having a slight difference of opinion with an ecologist, said 
ecologist requires thinning of Aspen in a small copse and has 
specified treating of stumps with herbicide, something I won't 
sanction as some are suckers and I'm of the opinion that the 
suckers will be connected to other trees, also any seedlings will 
be likely to have root grafts  due to proximity to each other, have 
already made my mind up but options/thoughts welcome as said 
ecologist is of a strong mind.



Will




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