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Re: Natives vs future

Subject: Re: Natives vs future
From: Bill Anderson
Date: Oct 22 2020 10:34:17
That seems an awful lot Jim. A friend of mine seems to manage on about 1.2
hectares of Ash coppice. Not that I know much about yields mind you.
Isn't there some rule about not needing planning permission to put up a
building if it's for managing a forestry plot? And not a very large plot if
the bloke who told me that was correct.

On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 at 11:01, Jim Quaife <jq@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk> wrote:

Bryn,
15 ha is large enough to be really interesting, but production would be
insignificant.  In the old days on the estate we sold about 500 tons of
prepared firewood each winter.  In response to one customer who wanted to
plant trees to provide a constant supply for his woodburner (modest central
heating - not one fireplace) I worked it out that on a 15-year ash coppice
rotation (bearing in mind that it would take half a generation before the
sustainable supply was achieved) would require about 11 acres (say 4.5 ha).
It was a frightening exercise, particularly as one needs to burn sear wood.
Jim


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From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info [mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Brynley Andrews
Sent: 22 October 2020 09:59
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: Natives vs future

Charlie, Tahir, Jim
Thanks for the replies.

The current farmland covers 120ha and we are aiming for planting ~ 15ha of
woodland. Orchards and parkland are also happening. A further ~ 400ha are
in the pipeline.

The specifics about right species and management are not what interest me
here, which is the battle between the old 'native species are best mantra'
and modern 'climate/carbon/futurism' models. My point being - surely it is
time for climate/carbon/futurism, and therefore, those pushing natives as a
knee jerk response are out of touch?

Being slightly provocative for the sake of debate.

Thanks

Bryn

On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 at 09:31, Jim Quaife <jq@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk>
wrote:

Hi Brynley,
Sounds like a really absorbing project, but with no details about
anything
all one can say is that depending upon scale there is usually a
compromise.  The ambition for a sawmill is very much long term if it is
based on current planting!
The appetite for a sawmill suggests that there is already some production
in view, but again a sawmill can be a Woodmizer (or something similar -
owned or contract hire) or a static installation.   If it is to be
anything
other than casual/incidental the throughput needs to be substantial.
The use of exotics is to my mind essential as a diversity safeguard for
bio-security.
The fascination with woodlands is that they can accommodate a wide range
of interests and the role of the consultant is to explore them all and to
come up with a balanced scheme.  Again, depending upon scale it doesn't
necessarily have to be done in one hit.
Enjoy!
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info [mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Brynley Andrews
Sent: 22 October 2020 08:49
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Natives vs future

Dear all

I am involved in a large scale farm woodland planting scheme.

The FC favour high performance carbon/timber/eco species, and the ANOB/LA
landscape planners favour traditional species to form traditional
landscape
features.

There is considerable overlap potential but the FC seem to be more inline
with modern thinking. And arguably the LA/ANOB are part of the old failed
model.

Also, The landowner intends to eventually run a sawmill on the Eatate.

I am proposing a highly diverse mix of 50/50 exotics & natives as suits
the
soil/climate/objectives - with special emphasis on targeting habitat for
priority fauna species.

It is a fun project & I welcome your input.

Thanks

Brynley

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