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Re: Natives vs future

Subject: Re: Natives vs future
From: Jerry Ross
Date: Oct 22 2020 14:50:36
It's worth recalling that our natives have been around through several pretty major climatic vicissitudes: the Roman Warm Period,from 250BC to AD 400,when temperatures were between 1 & 2° warmer and there were vineyards in Norway; then there was the medieval warm period from 950 to 1250, not to mention the Holocene climatic optimum, a thousand years after the last ice age. And we shouldn't ignore the 'little ice age' between 1645 and 1715 Most of our native species weathered these changes, so let's not write them off now. 




On 22/10/2020 12:34, Charlie Ashworth wrote:

Bryn,

Sorry, my interest was in specifics.

But re your interest, there is a need to plant a diverse range of species to 
meet climate/environmental changes, but if we stop planting natives in groups 
then we are not even giving them a chance to adapt.  I understand the desire 
to plant for successful timber production, but there should be a balance 
between the old and the new - as there would be in a natural, unplanted, 
woodland environment - as well as a balance between profit and benevolence.

Charlie


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On 22 Oct 2020, at 09:59, Brynley Andrews <brynley.andrews@xxxxxx.com> wrote:

Charlie, Tahir, Jim
Thanks for the replies.

The current farmland covers 120ha and we are aiming for planting ~ 15ha of
woodland. Orchards and parkland are also happening. A further ~ 400ha are
in the pipeline.

The specifics about right species and management are not what interest me
here, which is the battle between the old 'native species are best mantra'
and modern 'climate/carbon/futurism' models. My point being - surely it is
time for climate/carbon/futurism, and therefore, those pushing natives as a
knee jerk response are out of touch?

Being slightly provocative for the sake of debate.

Thanks

Bryn

On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 at 09:31, Jim Quaife <jq@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk> wrote:


Hi Brynley,
Sounds like a really absorbing project, but with no details about anything
all one can say is that depending upon scale there is usually a
compromise.  The ambition for a sawmill is very much long term if it is
based on current planting!
The appetite for a sawmill suggests that there is already some production
in view, but again a sawmill can be a Woodmizer (or something similar -
owned or contract hire) or a static installation.   If it is to be anything
other than casual/incidental the throughput needs to be substantial.
The use of exotics is to my mind essential as a diversity safeguard for
bio-security.
The fascination with woodlands is that they can accommodate a wide range
of interests and the role of the consultant is to explore them all and to
come up with a balanced scheme.  Again, depending upon scale it doesn't
necessarily have to be done in one hit.
Enjoy!
Jim

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Subject: Natives vs future

Dear all

I am involved in a large scale farm woodland planting scheme.

The FC favour high performance carbon/timber/eco species, and the ANOB/LA
landscape planners favour traditional species to form traditional landscape
features.

There is considerable overlap potential but the FC seem to be more inline
with modern thinking. And arguably the LA/ANOB are part of the old failed
model.

Also, The landowner intends to eventually run a sawmill on the Eatate.

I am proposing a highly diverse mix of 50/50 exotics & natives as suits the
soil/climate/objectives - with special emphasis on targeting habitat for
priority fauna species.

It is a fun project & I welcome your input.

Thanks

Brynley

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