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Re: Natives vs future

Subject: Re: Natives vs future
From: Brynley Andrews
Date: Oct 23 2020 13:12:50
Hi Ben - thanks for the input. That has been my main guidance so far 👍

On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 at 14:09, Ben Rose <benrose@xxxx.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Bryn,

I think that you should take a look at Ecological Site Classification
(ESC). Its rather brilliant and I think it would be ideal for your project.
It matches tree species (both native and non-native) to the site conditions
and gives information on expected yields. Furthermore, ESC incorporates
future climate change projections for the 2050 and 2080 low and high
scenarios of UKCIP02 to allow users to incorporate future suitability into
planting decisions.


https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/tools-and-resources/ecological-site-classification-decision-support-system-esc-dss/

Best regards,

Ben



Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 4:08 PM
From: "Brynley Andrews" <brynley.andrews@xxxxxx.com>
To: "UK Tree Care" <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: Natives vs future

Hi Charlie
Thanks for the input. The project does involve a lot of natives - it is
just not being led by the natives only model.
Redwoods in the English countryside!!!! ruffle a few feathers haha
The list below. Thanks
Bryn
1 Hazel
2 Coast redwood
3 Beech
4 Pedunculate oak
5 Aspen
6 Rauli beech
7 Grey alder
8 Rowan
9 Wild service tree
10 Hornbeam
11 Small-leaved lime
12 Wild cherry
13 White willow
14 Holly
15 Scots pine
16 Western red cedar
17 Lodgepole pine
18 Giant redwood
19 Silver birch
20 Black poplar
21 Common alder
22 Red alder
23 Italian alder
24 True service tree
25 Wych elm

On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 at 12:35, Charlie Ashworth <charlie@xxxxxxxxxx.org.uk

wrote:

Bryn,

Sorry, my interest was in specifics.

But re your interest, there is a need to plant a diverse range of
species
to meet climate/environmental changes, but if we stop planting natives
in
groups then we are not even giving them a chance to adapt.  I
understand
the desire to plant for successful timber production, but there should
be a
balance between the old and the new - as there would be in a natural,
unplanted, woodland environment - as well as a balance between profit
and
benevolence.

Charlie


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On 22 Oct 2020, at 09:59, Brynley Andrews <brynley.andrews@xxxxxx.com

wrote:

Charlie, Tahir, Jim
Thanks for the replies.

The current farmland covers 120ha and we are aiming for planting ~
15ha
of
woodland. Orchards and parkland are also happening. A further ~
400ha are
in the pipeline.

The specifics about right species and management are not what
interest me
here, which is the battle between the old 'native species are best
mantra'
and modern 'climate/carbon/futurism' models. My point being - surely
it
is
time for climate/carbon/futurism, and therefore, those pushing
natives
as a
knee jerk response are out of touch?

Being slightly provocative for the sake of debate.

Thanks

Bryn

On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 at 09:31, Jim Quaife <jq@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk>
wrote:

Hi Brynley,
Sounds like a really absorbing project, but with no details about
anything
all one can say is that depending upon scale there is usually a
compromise.  The ambition for a sawmill is very much long term if
it is
based on current planting!
The appetite for a sawmill suggests that there is already some
production
in view, but again a sawmill can be a Woodmizer (or something
similar -
owned or contract hire) or a static installation.   If it is to be
anything
other than casual/incidental the throughput needs to be substantial.
The use of exotics is to my mind essential as a diversity safeguard
for
bio-security.
The fascination with woodlands is that they can accommodate a wide
range
of interests and the role of the consultant is to explore them all
and
to
come up with a balanced scheme.  Again, depending upon scale it
doesn't
necessarily have to be done in one hit.
Enjoy!
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info [mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Brynley Andrews
Sent: 22 October 2020 08:49
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Natives vs future

Dear all

I am involved in a large scale farm woodland planting scheme.

The FC favour high performance carbon/timber/eco species, and the
ANOB/LA
landscape planners favour traditional species to form traditional
landscape
features.

There is considerable overlap potential but the FC seem to be more
inline
with modern thinking. And arguably the LA/ANOB are part of the old
failed
model.

Also, The landowner intends to eventually run a sawmill on the
Eatate.

I am proposing a highly diverse mix of 50/50 exotics & natives as
suits
the
soil/climate/objectives - with special emphasis on targeting
habitat for
priority fauna species.

It is a fun project & I welcome your input.

Thanks

Brynley

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