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Re: Natives vs future

Subject: Re: Natives vs future
From: elton.trees
Date: Oct 24 2020 15:00:22

This also worth a look on the RFS 
website-https://www.rfs.org.uk/learning/forestry-knowledge-hub/forest-resilience/alternative-tree-species/Sent
 from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Brynley Andrews 
<brynley.andrews@xxxxxx.com> Date: 23/10/2020  14:12  (GMT+00:00) To: UK Tree 
Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> Subject: Re: Natives vs future Hi Ben - 
thanks for the input. That has been my main guidance so far 👍On Fri, 23 Oct 
2020 at 14:09, Ben Rose <benrose@xxxx.co.uk> wrote:> Hi Bryn,>> I think that 
you should take a look at Ecological Site Classification> (ESC). Its rather 
brilliant and I think it would be ideal for your project.> It matches tree 
species (both native and non-native) to the site conditions> and gives 
information on expected yields. Furthermore, ESC incorporates> future climate 
change projections for the 2050 and 2080 low and high> scenarios of UKCIP02 
to allow users to incorporate future suitability into> planting decisions.>>> 
https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/tools-and-resources/ecological-site-classification-decision-support-system-esc-dss/>>
 Best regards,>> Ben>>>> > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 4:08 PM> > 
From: "Brynley Andrews" <brynley.andrews@xxxxxx.com>> > To: "UK Tree Care" 
<uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> > Subject: Re: Natives vs future> >> > Hi 
Charlie> > Thanks for the input. The project does involve a lot of natives - 
it is> > just not being led by the natives only model.> > Redwoods in the 
English countryside!!!! ruffle a few feathers haha> > The list below. Thanks> 
Bryn> > 1 Hazel> > 2 Coast redwood> > 3 Beech> > 4 Pedunculate oak> > 5 
Aspen> > 6 Rauli beech> > 7 Grey alder> > 8 Rowan> > 9 Wild service tree> > 
10 Hornbeam> > 11 Small-leaved lime> > 12 Wild cherry> > 13 White willow> > 
14 Holly> > 15 Scots pine> > 16 Western red cedar> > 17 Lodgepole pine> > 18 
Giant redwood> > 19 Silver birch> > 20 Black poplar> > 21 Common alder> > 22 
Red alder> > 23 Italian alder> > 24 True service tree> > 25 Wych elm> >> > On 
Thu, 22 Oct 2020 at 12:35, Charlie Ashworth <charlie@xxxxxxxxxx.org.uk> >> > 
wrote:> >> > > Bryn,> > >> > > Sorry, my interest was in specifics.> > >> > > 
But re your interest, there is a need to plant a diverse range of> species> > 
to meet climate/environmental changes, but if we stop planting natives> in> 
groups then we are not even giving them a chance to adapt.  I> 
understand> > > the desire to plant for successful timber production, but 
there should> be a> > > balance between the old and the new - as there would 
be in a natural,> > > unplanted, woodland environment - as well as a balance 
between profit> and> > > benevolence.> > >> > > Charlie> > >> > >> > > 
Charlotte Ashworth MArborA> > >> > > www.tree-care.org.uk> > > 
charlie@xxxxxxxxxx.org.uk> > > Mobile:07812 XXX XXX> > > Office: 01270 611 
626> > >> > > > On 22 Oct 2020, at 09:59, Brynley Andrews 
<brynley.andrews@xxxxxx.com> >> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Charlie, Tahir, Jim> 
Thanks for the replies.> > > >> > > > The current farmland covers 120ha 
and we are aiming for planting ~> 15ha> > > of> > > > woodland. Orchards and 
parkland are also happening. A further ~> 400ha are> > > > in the pipeline.> 
The specifics about right species and management are not what> 
interest me> > > > here, which is the battle between the old 'native species 
are best> > > mantra'> > > > and modern 'climate/carbon/futurism' models. My 
point being - surely> it> > > is> > > > time for climate/carbon/futurism, and 
therefore, those pushing> natives> > > as a> > > > knee jerk response are out 
of touch?> > > >> > > > Being slightly provocative for the sake of debate.> > 
Thanks> > > >> > > > Bryn> > > >> > > > On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 at 
09:31, Jim Quaife <jq@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> Hi 
Brynley,> > > >> Sounds like a really absorbing project, but with no details 
about> > > anything> > > >> all one can say is that depending upon scale 
there is usually a> > > >> compromise.  The ambition for a sawmill is very 
much long term if> it is> > > >> based on current planting!> > > >> The 
appetite for a sawmill suggests that there is already some> > > production> > 
in view, but again a sawmill can be a Woodmizer (or something> similar 
-> > > >> owned or contract hire) or a static installation.   If it is to be> 
anything> > > >> other than casual/incidental the throughput needs to be 
substantial.> > > >> The use of exotics is to my mind essential as a 
diversity safeguard> for> > > >> bio-security.> > > >> The fascination with 
woodlands is that they can accommodate a wide> range> > > >> of interests and 
the role of the consultant is to explore them all> and> > > to> > > >> come 
up with a balanced scheme.  Again, depending upon scale it> doesn't> > > >> 
necessarily have to be done in one hit.> > > >> Enjoy!> > > >> Jim> > > >>> > 
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uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Brynley Andrews> > > >> 
Sent: 22 October 2020 08:49> > > >> To: UK Tree Care> > > >> Subject: Natives 
vs future> > > >>> > > >> Dear all> > > >>> > > >> I am involved in a large 
scale farm woodland planting scheme.> > > >>> > > >> The FC favour high 
performance carbon/timber/eco species, and the> > > ANOB/LA> > > >> landscape 
planners favour traditional species to form traditional> > > landscape> > > 
features.> > > >>> > > >> There is considerable overlap potential but the 
FC seem to be more> > > inline> > > >> with modern thinking. And arguably the 
LA/ANOB are part of the old> > > failed> > > >> model.> > > >>> > > >> Also, 
The landowner intends to eventually run a sawmill on the> Eatate.> > > >>> > 
I am proposing a highly diverse mix of 50/50 exotics & natives as> 
suits> > > the> > > >> soil/climate/objectives - with special emphasis on 
targeting> habitat for> > > >> priority fauna species.> > > >>> > > >> It is 
a fun project & I welcome your input.> > > >>> > > >> Thanks> > > >>> > > >> 
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