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Re: Natives vs future

Subject: Re: Natives vs future
From: Brynley Andrews
Date: Oct 24 2020 15:05:00
Thanks Elton 👍

On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 at 16:00, elton.trees <elton.trees@xxxxxxxx.co.uk> wrote:


This also worth a look on the RFS website-
https://www.rfs.org.uk/learning/forestry-knowledge-hub/forest-resilience/alternative-tree-species/Sent
from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Brynley Andrews <
brynley.andrews@xxxxxx.com> Date: 23/10/2020  14:12  (GMT+00:00) To: UK
Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> Subject: Re: Natives vs future Hi
Ben - thanks for the input. That has been my main guidance so far 👍On Fri,
23 Oct 2020 at 14:09, Ben Rose <benrose@xxxx.co.uk> wrote:> Hi Bryn,>> I
think that you should take a look at Ecological Site Classification> (ESC).
Its rather brilliant and I think it would be ideal for your project.> It
matches tree species (both native and non-native) to the site conditions>
and gives information on expected yields. Furthermore, ESC incorporates>
future climate change projections for the 2050 and 2080 low and high>
scenarios of UKCIP02 to allow users to incorporate future suitability into>
planting decisions.>>>
https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/tools-and-resources/ecological-site-classification-decision-support-system-esc-dss/>>
Best regards,>> Ben>>>> > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 4:08 PM> >
From: "Brynley Andrews" <brynley.andrews@xxxxxx.com>> > To: "UK Tree Care"
<uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> > Subject: Re: Natives vs future> >> > Hi
Charlie> > Thanks for the input. The project does involve a lot of natives
- it is> > just not being led by the natives only model.> > Redwoods in the
English countryside!!!! ruffle a few feathers haha> > The list below.
Thanks> > Bryn> > 1 Hazel> > 2 Coast redwood> > 3 Beech> > 4 Pedunculate
oak> > 5 Aspen> > 6 Rauli beech> > 7 Grey alder> > 8 Rowan> > 9 Wild
service tree> > 10 Hornbeam> > 11 Small-leaved lime> > 12 Wild cherry> > 13
White willow> > 14 Holly> > 15 Scots pine> > 16 Western red cedar> > 17
Lodgepole pine> > 18 Giant redwood> > 19 Silver birch> > 20 Black poplar> >
21 Common alder> > 22 Red alder> > 23 Italian alder> > 24 True service
tree> > 25 Wych elm> >> > On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 at 12:35, Charlie Ashworth <
charlie@xxxxxxxxxx.org.uk> >> > wrote:> >> > > Bryn,> > >> > > Sorry, my
interest was in specifics.> > >> > > But re your interest, there is a need
to plant a diverse range of> species> > > to meet climate/environmental
changes, but if we stop planting natives> in> > > groups then we are not
even giving them a chance to adapt.  I> understand> > > the desire to plant
for successful timber production, but there should> be a> > > balance
between the old and the new - as there would be in a natural,> > >
unplanted, woodland environment - as well as a balance between profit> and>
benevolence.> > >> > > Charlie> > >> > >> > > Charlotte Ashworth
MArborA> > >> > > www.tree-care.org.uk> > > charlie@xxxxxxxxxx.org.uk> > >
Mobile:07812 XXX XXX> > > Office: 01270 XXX XXX> > >> > > > On 22 Oct 2020,
at 09:59, Brynley Andrews <brynley.andrews@xxxxxx.com> >> > > wrote:> > >
Charlie, Tahir, Jim> > > > Thanks for the replies.> > > >> > > >
The current farmland covers 120ha and we are aiming for planting ~> 15ha> >
of> > > > woodland. Orchards and parkland are also happening. A further
~> 400ha are> > > > in the pipeline.> > > >> > > > The specifics about
right species and management are not what> interest me> > > > here, which
is the battle between the old 'native species are best> > > mantra'> > > >
and modern 'climate/carbon/futurism' models. My point being - surely> it> >
is> > > > time for climate/carbon/futurism, and therefore, those pushing>
natives> > > as a> > > > knee jerk response are out of touch?> > > >> > > >
Being slightly provocative for the sake of debate.> > > >> > > > Thanks> >
Bryn> > > >> > > > On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 at 09:31, Jim Quaife <
jq@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> Hi Brynley,> > > >>
Sounds like a really absorbing project, but with no details about> > >
anything> > > >> all one can say is that depending upon scale there is
usually a> > > >> compromise.  The ambition for a sawmill is very much long
term if> it is> > > >> based on current planting!> > > >> The appetite for
a sawmill suggests that there is already some> > > production> > > >> in
view, but again a sawmill can be a Woodmizer (or something> similar -> > >
owned or contract hire) or a static installation.   If it is to be> > >
anything> > > >> other than casual/incidental the throughput needs to be
substantial.> > > >> The use of exotics is to my mind essential as a
diversity safeguard> for> > > >> bio-security.> > > >> The fascination with
woodlands is that they can accommodate a wide> range> > > >> of interests
and the role of the consultant is to explore them all> and> > > to> > > >>
come up with a balanced scheme.  Again, depending upon scale it> doesn't> >
necessarily have to be done in one hit.> > > >> Enjoy!> > > >> Jim> >
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uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Brynley Andrews> > > >>
Sent: 22 October 2020 08:49> > > >> To: UK Tree Care> > > >> Subject:
Natives vs future> > > >>> > > >> Dear all> > > >>> > > >> I am involved in
a large scale farm woodland planting scheme.> > > >>> > > >> The FC favour
high performance carbon/timber/eco species, and the> > > ANOB/LA> > > >>
landscape planners favour traditional species to form traditional> > >
landscape> > > >> features.> > > >>> > > >> There is considerable overlap
potential but the FC seem to be more> > > inline> > > >> with modern
thinking. And arguably the LA/ANOB are part of the old> > > failed> > > >>
model.> > > >>> > > >> Also, The landowner intends to eventually run a
sawmill on the> Eatate.> > > >>> > > >> I am proposing a highly diverse mix
of 50/50 exotics & natives as> suits> > > the> > > >>
soil/climate/objectives - with special emphasis on targeting> habitat for>
priority fauna species.> > > >>> > > >> It is a fun project & I
welcome your input.> > > >>> > > >> Thanks> > > >>> > > >> Brynley> > > >>>
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