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Re: Rhizomorphs do not show intelligence..........

Subject: Re: Rhizomorphs do not show intelligence..........
From: jpr
Date: Nov 20 2020 20:25:11
You don't take account of quantum phenomena Sent from my mobile 
-------- Original message --------From: Wayne Tyson <wt750mv@xxxxxx.com> 
Date: 20/11/2020  19:44  (GMT+00:00) To: UK Tree Care 
<uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> Subject: Re: Rhizomorphs do not show 
intelligence.......... Root tips require pore spaces equal to or exceeding 
their diameters or(some have asserted) growing media weak enough for their 
practicallynonexistent "strength" to move particles aside. They also need 
sufficientwater, nutrients (sometimes translocated?), and oxygen. They 
changedirection via physiological responses to context.WTOn Fri, Nov 20, 2020 
at 12:37 AM Brynley Andrews <brynley.andrews@xxxxxx.com>wrote:> Hi Rupert> 
Nice theory. I read that tree ‘brains’ are effectively in the root tips;> 
where decisions are made. So, maybe the fungi rhizomorphs are the same.> 
Billions of little brains forever thinking about 3 dimensions. Or maybe 4?!> 
A bit like people I suppose? Ha> Bryn>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 23:25, Rupert 
Baker <rupert_baker@xxxxxxxx.co.uk>> wrote:>> > Hi Jon,> >         I'm not 
sure I'm obsessed with evolution; I am  not a born-again> > neo-darwinist, 
certainly - I consider that there may be truth in some> > aspects of the 
Lamarckian 'heresy' - as the former would have it.  My> > point, I guess, is 
wondering what programming the rhizomorphs have; if> the> > fungus is able to 
spread throughout the tree by latent propagules - as> > Boddy's work suggests 
for many species - why exert precious energy going> > somewhere where other 
parts of you have refreshed themselves already - if> > you'll forgive the 
illusion to a widely advertised dilute sugar solution> > modified by another 
species of fungus. Why not use the effort to spread> > through the 
surrounding habitat looking for other tasty carbohydrate> > sources as yet 
unexploited. You'd think that a few random mutations> > favouring offspring 
that were able to avoid negative geotropism, or> > recognise the difference 
between soils, even in a humus layer, and wood> (I> > reckon there would be a 
difference in the solutes present if nothing> else)> > would mean that there 
would be advantages to the random offspring in not> > recolonising somewhere 
they already existed in. Unless the fungi decaying> > the upper parts of the 
tree were different species/ organisms, and worth> > fighting for the rights 
to the Carb source.> > I understand very clearly that evolution is not 
purposeful; but external> > selection pressures on random mutation lead to an 
analogous mode of> action> > to purpose. Given how long fungi like Armillaria 
have been around, if> they> > were wasting energy that another organism 
operating in the same sort of> > habitat had 'evolved' to use more 
efficiently, it is likely that they> would> > have been competed out of 
existence, or at any rate to the margins.> > Which suggests that their M.O. 
is so effective that they can afford to> > waste resources like they were 
going out of fashion, and still be top> > dog.....> >> > Or that a remarkably 
petty-minded god was having fun messing with its> > creation!> >> > Atb> > 
Rupert> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: 
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info On Behalf Of Jon Heuch> > Sent: 19 
November 2020 16:38> > To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>> > 
Subject: Re: Rhizomorphs do not show intelligence..........> >> > "but I do 
wonder what is the evolutionary advantage of.."> >> >> >> > I appreciate that 
arborists are trying to understand the world, which is> > good, but I do 
wonder why arborists are obsessed with evolution. Most of> > the things I do 
have no evolutionary advantage, especially when it comes> to> > eating and 
drinking. I know I might get a hangover if I drink too> > much....yet, from 
time to time that's what I do..no evolutionary> advantage,> > possibly some 
disadvantage.> >> >> >> > Some want to think that trees and fungi are 
intelligent organisms, even> > "communicating"..the Woodland Trust have a 
video on line asking how trees> > communicate so that they all produce mast 
at the same time. I> > cringed..someone hasn't thought about the weather, I 
thought.> >> >> >> > Trees and fungi do stuff that don't lead to any 
evolutionary> > advantage...girls just wanna have fun...(phade out Cindy 
Lauper)> >> >> >> > Jon> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --> > The UK Tree Care mailing 
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