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Re: Tree Alert App | Obvious Tree Risk Features

Subject: Re: Tree Alert App | Obvious Tree Risk Features
From: Wayne Tyson
Date: Sep 07 2021 07:26:27
"The most important thing to know is what you don't know." --M. Mead

As Wislawa Szymborska (
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/literature/1996/szymborska/lecture/ )
might say, "I don't know" might be at once the most important and most
neglected phrase in language. It is worth noting that it is (almost?)
universally eschewed by the egocentric.

WT

"The suspension of judgment is the highest exercise in intellectual
discipline." --R. M. Gilmore


On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 12:03 AM Russ Carlson <thearborist@xxxx.com> wrote:

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How you advertise is part of it, but not all. This is what proper
credentials are supposed to help sort out, but it seems that many
credential holders are as clueless as the public about it. But that's my
opinion from where it now sit with 30 years of independent consulting:
I'll admit to some bias in my codgerly point of view.

I still remember starting out, thinking I could jump in to being a
consultant. The wizened old guys who got there before me smiled kindly,
and said "You just keep thinkin', Butch." I did not know how far I had to
go to earn that title of consultant. Those of you who made it that far,
you understand. It is far more than a title or a job, or simply declaring
yourself a consultant on a business card.


---
Russ Carlson, RCA, BCMA
ASCA Registered Consulting Arborist #354
ISA Board Certified Master Arborist PD-0008B
ISA Tree Risk Assessment Qualification

Tree Tech Consulting
114 Grand Canyon Court
Bear, DE 19701
302.832.1911 phone
thearborist@xxxx.com
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On 9/6/21 1:33 PM, Michael Richardson wrote:

  For arborists (in NA) the issue comes down to what are you advertising
and
  selling yourself as.  Tree removal is not tree consulting.
  Certification/qualification is not much without experience.

  In North America those that advertise themselves as TRAQ have a higher
  standard of care to meet than those advertising themselves as ABC Tree
  Removal.  I have seen countless people present themselves on their cards
  and websites as:

  Joe Tree Guy, ISA CA, TRAQ
  Professional Tree Service

  Saying you have a qualification and you are professional sets a higher
  standard.  Where that standard is for a specific case is of course the
  purview of the judge or much more often the lawyers recognize the
strength
  of the case is eroded by the arborist presenting themselves as something
  they are not.

  M



  Michael Richardson B.Sc.F., BCMA
  Ontario MTCU Qualified Arborist
  Richardson Tree Care
  Richardsontreecare.ca
  613-475-2877
  800-769-9183

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  On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 1:17 PM Russ Carlson   <thearborist@xxxx.com>
 wrote:


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    Good observations, Michael.It provides a basis for discerning between
the
    two terms, but needs more refinement as to exactly (or approximately)
    where that distinction lies. For example, I often find it necessary to
    distinguish between the production arborist and some defined higher
level
    of education or experience. So many forensic cases come down to who
    should have known, and when should they have known it.


    ---
    Russ Carlson, RCA, BCMA
    ASCA Registered Consulting Arborist #354
    ISA Board Certified Master Arborist PD-0008B
    ISA Tree Risk Assessment Qualification

    Tree Tech Consulting
    114 Grand Canyon Court
    Bear, DE 19701
    302.832.1911 phone    thearborist@xxxx.com        www.tree-tech.com
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    On 9/6/21 12:39 PM, Michael Richardson wrote:

      It seems to me the simple difference between the ability to identify
      obvious vs. subtle is:

      obvious: a reasonable expectation that a person would notice the
defect
    if
      it was on their tree;

      subtle: a reasonable expectation that a person presenting themselves
as
      providing tree knowledge would identify.  The issue here is can a
tree
      service or contractor performing work (only) be expected to identify
(and
      assess) subtle risk factors.

      Michael

      Michael Richardson B.Sc.F., BCMA
      Ontario MTCU Qualified Arborist
      Richardson Tree Care
      Richardsontreecare.ca
      613-475-2877
      800-769-9183

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      On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 12:24 PM Wayne Tyson       <wt750mv@xxxxxx.com>
   wrote:


        I know you get a lot of flak, but I have to hand it to you for
making
    the
        effort. It doesn't have to be perfect, and just moving the ball is
to
    be
        commended. Perhaps a discussion regarding the line dividing
"obvious"
    from
        "subtle" would be worthwhile?

        WT

        On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 7:19 AM David Evans     <
david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com    >    wrote:


          Hi

          We've got some rough wireframe sketches of how the Tree Alert
App is
          looking
          up on the News page of VALID's website, if you're interested.
              https://validtreerisk.help/News          There're more
details in the link.  In short, it's something like the
          Obvious Tree Risk Features Guide in App form, and will be free
for
    anyone
          to
          use.

          Because it's an App, there's more room for a rogue's gallery of
    obvious
          tree
          risk features.  The post is a call to see whether anyone has any
high
          quality photos to share of:

          1) Partial root failure
          2) Broken or hanging branches
          3) Cracks or splits
          4) Advanced decline or death
          5) Fungal brackets (an abundance of them)
          6) Construction damage

          Those of you who have followed the idea of Tree Alert might
notice
    that
          Construction Damage has been added, which we figured might be a
    useful
          addition for local government - citizen development site
supervision.

          The photos need to be both high quality and easy for a civilian
to
          understand.

          Cheers

          Acer Ventura




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