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Depending on the context of the site you can also ask the forestry commission 
to look at pre-emptive felling if it is outside of the exemptions and being 
done outside of a full planning permission being granted.

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Not if it’s a pre-commencement condition.

If the trees are covered by a planning condition and are removed breaching 
the condition, planning enforcement can require replacement.  The limitations 
of enforcement action for a breach of condition can be far more punitive in 
this scenario.  In my experience as a TO, a breach of condition has no 
limitations in terms of what you can reasonably ask for to remedy the breach, 
wich includes compensatory planting to mitigate the loss of trees.

Outline planning permission is a bit of a mine field, and I see detailed 
plans being approved specifically by condition, with reference to other 
matters which are to be addressed (at full application stage) but which 
impact on trees.  No TPP at outline or asking for a 5837 survey by condition 
are the usual failings of LPA's too.

I wouldn't advocate removing trees on an outline application being approved 
unless it is for ground surveys, mining investigations etc

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On Behalf Of Jerry Ross
Sent: 07 September 2021 13:11
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: Outline planning approval

Interesting.
So someone taking on a site with PP could start off by clearing all the trees 
that weren't protected by CA or TPO, without any penalty.


On 07/09/2021 12:51, Alastair Durkin wrote:

A condition only kicks in once a development has commenced/implemented. 
Otherwise it's as Bill says.

Alastair


-----Original Message-----
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<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> On Behalf Of Jerry Ross
Sent: 07 September 2021 12:24
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: Outline planning approval

Surely they are protected by condition, irrespective of CA or TPO 
protection, at least until the planning app has been discharged. It's not 
very strong protection (what would an LPA do if the tree was to be 
removed?), but still...


On 07/09/2021 11:51, Bill Anderson wrote:

Are they protected except by the planning permission? If so I can't
see that removing them is prohibited at all. If they're in a
conservation area then I'd have thought the planning permission only
permitted their removal when reserved matters and conditions had been 
discharged.
On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 10:51, Jerry Ross <trees@xxxxxxxxxx.co.uk> wrote:

So, the layout is indeed a reserved matter.
Which places the authority in a difficult position if the punter who
has purchased the site interprets the condition (which clearly
implies that trees shown as being removed *can* be removed) by
cracking on getting rid of them.


On 07/09/2021 10:15, Alastair Durkin wrote:

Hi Jerry

I would say it depends whether layout was a reserved matter or not.
If

layout was reserved then the condition is fairly meaningless, and
probably nobody checked the wording. If layout was part of the
approval then you have your answer.

Alastair


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uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> On Behalf Of Jerry Ross

Sent: 07 September 2021 09:25
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Outline planning approval

An 'indicative' layout plan is submitted for outline planning. It
shows

a layout requiring the removal of a tree or trees. Outline consent
is granted with a condition requiring that none of the existing
trees or hedgerows on the site shall be removed 'other than those
specifically shownto be removed on the approved drawings'

Bearing in mind this was an 'indicative' layoutsubmitted for 'outline'
consentdoes that mean that trees shown as requiring removal can be
taken

out without further ado?

As it happens, a relatively minor redesign could enable them to be

retained As it also happens, the trees to be removed are ashes and
both appear quite healthy.  Another ash, shown as /not/ requiring
removal, has signs of early CAD (Chalara ash dieback)

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