UKTC Archive

Re: Biodiversity value of a private garden lawn?

Subject: Re: Biodiversity value of a private garden lawn?
From: Wayne Tyson
Date: Nov 16 2021 22:15:48
". . . stasis of succession . . . ?" Please explain.

WT

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 1:47 PM Antony Croft <rositsavalleyangling@xxxxxx.com>
wrote:

On the contrary, man historically has created through his actions some of
the most biologically diverse habitats, and also held that biodiversity in
a stasis of succession which has enabled very long term sustained
conditions for that biodiversity. We have lost our way, but there was a
time when man actually increased biodiversity.

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 11:15 PM Wayne Tyson <wt750mv@xxxxxx.com> wrote:

Well said. However, "nature" doesn't "need" us, or for that matter any
other species.

“Ecosystems are not only more complex than we think, they are more
complex
than we *can *think.” --Frank Egler


WT

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 10:16 PM Antony Croft <
rositsavalleyangling@xxxxxx.com> wrote:

eWFLEL
There are paradoxes, many of them surrounding our ideas of what nature
needs. We all too often think we are a negative force in the world and
that
if we just left the scene altogether life would thrive. The reality is
that
despite the plant fancieing gardeners choices there are many aspects,
within the older generations that actually increase the biodiversity
potential and quality of the habitats within the urban sprawl. Old now
neglected fruit trees full of saproxylic habitat, mossy lawns full of
wax
caps, grass clippings poled up and providing warm rotting sanctuaries
for
slow worms and indeed their food supply. seedheads bird boxes and
feeders.

The modern garden is of poor quality it has to be said, the policy of
new
build builders/developers is to scrape evey ounce of soil down to its
base
and at the end lay a facade of greenery over the top like a bandaid
with
hearts on it, looks lovely but hids a rape of the earth that has about
as
much natural empathy as a nucluer test program.



On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 11:31 PM Wayne Tyson <wt750mv@xxxxxx.com>
wrote:

While I'm not absolutely certain about the statistics, I quite agree
with
your remarks about agriculture. I hope you will consider writing a
piece
for a newspaper of wide circulation. This commonly ignored fact needs
to
become more widely known.

As for gardens, while I am happy to hear on good mycological
authority
that
(presumably indigenous?) fungi have become established, it would be
interesting to know how the entire garden microbiome compares with
that
of
adjacent wilds. Gardens, by definition, are collections of plants
fancied
by the gardener, not necessarily those of an indigenous ecosystem.

WT

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 9:21 AM Antony Croft <
rositsavalleyangling@xxxxxx.com>
wrote:

As a fungal ecologist it always surprised me how many rare
(supposedly,
due
to lack of records) fungi would be found in the older urban
gardens,
usually owned by now pension aged non weedkiller types. Succession
and
a
lack of ''improvement'' along with a good dose of time does quite
rightly
enable a remarkable amount of Biodiversity within the urban
context.
You
could almost guarantee seeing vulnerable wax caps in a pre
1940-1950's
lawn

As for the intensely managed agricultural setting, not only a
biological/ecological desert but also a carbon devoid soil.
Agricultural
practice will have contributed far more to atmospheric carbon than
every
car ever produced.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 6:24 PM Bill Anderson <
anderson.arb.original@xxxxxx.com> wrote:

Angus said: I'm deeply skeptical of the biodiversity value of a
private
garden lawn and indeed any landscaping put in place by commercial
housebuilders...

I'd say you were right to be sceptical Angus, but Sheffield
University
did
a study that showed domestic housing away from city centres had
better
biodiversity than intensely cultivated agricultural land. (Google
"biodiversity in urban gardens, bugs1 and bugs 2") However I
suspect
it
takes some time for this sort of biodiversity to develop in back
gardens,
and I suspect the usual housebuilders' landscaping schemes are
only a
step
in vaguely the right direction. I'm sick to the back teeth of
supermarket
car park type planting that features Cherry Laurel and other
allelopathic
plants that do very little to improve biodiversity. I'd rather
see
new
developments with no landscaping and the new occupants actually
taking
an
interest. How you legislate for that I dunno.

I've not read the biodiversity net gain matrix thing yet but if
it
doesn't
acknowledge that removing some plants is actually to improve
biodiversity
then there's something wrong with it.

Bill.



--
The UK Tree Care mailing list
To unsubscribe send mailto:uktc-unsubscribe@xxxxxx.tree-care.info

The UKTC forum is supported by Bosky Trees arboricultural
consultancy
and
Stockholm Tree Pits
https://www.stockholmtreepits.co.uk




--
The UK Tree Care mailing list
To unsubscribe send mailto:uktc-unsubscribe@xxxxxx.tree-care.info

The UKTC forum is supported by Bosky Trees arboricultural
consultancy
and
Stockholm Tree Pits
https://www.stockholmtreepits.co.uk




--
The UK Tree Care mailing list
To unsubscribe send mailto:uktc-unsubscribe@xxxxxx.tree-care.info

The UKTC forum is supported by Bosky Trees arboricultural consultancy
and
Stockholm Tree Pits
https://www.stockholmtreepits.co.uk




--
The UK Tree Care mailing list
To unsubscribe send mailto:uktc-unsubscribe@xxxxxx.tree-care.info

The UKTC forum is supported by Bosky Trees arboricultural consultancy
and
Stockholm Tree Pits
https://www.stockholmtreepits.co.uk




--
The UK Tree Care mailing list
To unsubscribe send mailto:uktc-unsubscribe@xxxxxx.tree-care.info

The UKTC forum is supported by Bosky Trees arboricultural consultancy and
Stockholm Tree Pits
https://www.stockholmtreepits.co.uk




--
The UK Tree Care mailing list
To unsubscribe send mailto:uktc-unsubscribe@xxxxxx.tree-care.info

The UKTC forum is supported by Bosky Trees arboricultural consultancy and
Stockholm Tree Pits
https://www.stockholmtreepits.co.uk




-- 
The UK Tree Care mailing list
To unsubscribe send mailto:uktc-unsubscribe@xxxxxx.tree-care.info

The UKTC forum is supported by Bosky Trees arboricultural consultancy and
Stockholm Tree Pits
https://www.stockholmtreepits.co.uk