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Oh.
Does Hair-ism need moderating?


Bill.

On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 at 10:46, Jerry Ross <trees@xxxxxxxxxx.co.uk> wrote:

Nearly heard that, but I have a distinct animus towards Pinker and his
meliorist theories (not to mention his hair)  so I turned it off and
went back to work.



On 19/11/2021 10:37, Bill Anderson wrote:

Interesting program on Radio 4 yesterday afternoon, Think Twice by that

guy

Stephen Pinker. Kicked off with an item about our general innumeracy....

On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 at 06:18, Jim Quaife<jq@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk>

wrote:

Since describing arboriculture as the 'pursuit of estimation' many years
ago I have encountered nothing that changes it!
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info  [mailto:
uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info] On Behalf Of Michael Richardson
Sent: 18 November 2021 22:02
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: School or college Tree Risk-Benefit Management Strategy |

New

That is quite funny.  All you do is generalize and say that we know
nothing.

Multiple times you have asked questions and I have provided the

background

references yet you say that you do not care about published material or
what people are doing and why.

In the case of David Evans post this morning do you know anything about
risk assessment?  Maybe you are going to tell us once again that you

don't

care about risk but only the tree.  Every time you say this and then say
the tree is in decline yet you fail to provide proof.

Have you read this paper?

   Stability Recovery in London Plane Trees Eight Years After Primary
Anchorage Failure








Michael Richardson B.Sc.F., BCMA
Ontario MTCU Qualified Arborist
Richardson Tree Care
Richardsontreecare.ca
613-475-2877
800-769-9183

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On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 4:50 PM Wayne Tyson<wt750mv@xxxxxx.com>  wrote:

I'm not out to teach, but to observe and share, just like anyone else.
Kindly quote any specific thing I have said that led you to conclude

that I

was "criticizing anything you said." I don't know how to respond to
generalizations.

WT

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 1:32 PM<pwassenaer1022@xxxxxxx.com>  wrote:

Yes but please teach us instead of just criticizing and doubting just
about everything we are doing....

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From:uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info  <

uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>

On Behalf Of Wayne Tyson
Sent: November 18, 2021 4:06 PM
To: UK Tree Care<uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: School or college Tree Risk-Benefit Management Strategy |

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" Shall we learn and move assessments forward?"

Yes.

WT

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 10:30 AM Michael Richardson <
richardsontreecare@xxxxxx.com> wrote:

Wayne, what is your point?  "*The problem remains that there is no

way

to determine for certain when the tree will fail, if ever, depending
upon a constantly-changing, imponderably complex context*."  Shall we

do

nothing?

Shall we cut every tree?  Shall we use our knowledge, training, and
experience?  Shall we learn and move assessments forward?  Perhaps

you

believe that we are incapable of working with uncertainty?

  Perhaps you can provide a better strategy we can all learn from and
critique.


Michael Richardson B.Sc.F., BCMA
Ontario MTCU Qualified Arborist
Richardson Tree Care
Richardsontreecare.ca
613-475-2877
800-769-9183

   <http://www.richardsontreecare.ca/images/Tree_Doc_logo_email.png>



On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 1:19 PM Wayne Tyson<wt750mv@xxxxxx.com>

wrote:

If tree assessment following storms means looking for leaners,
cracks in the soil (usually on the side opposite the lean), and
raised soil on one side of the tree, the tree may be terminally
weakened. There have been cases where the remaining root system was
strong enough to hold that position long enough for new growth to
continue to add a component of resistance, allowing the tree to
remain for several years. The problem

is,

the tree remains out of balance, and as the canopy continues to
grow,

more

weight is added to a longer moment-arm, increasing the tension

which

the remaining damaged root system and any new root growth must
resist. The problem remains that there is no way to determine for
certain when the

tree

will fail, if ever, depending upon a constantly-changing,
imponderably complex context.

WT

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 4:56 AM David Evans
<david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com>
wrote:

This might interest those of you who carry out tree risk
assessments at schools or colleges

We've just uploaded and shared a new Tree Risk-Benefit Management

Strategy

template for schools or colleges in the Landowner section of the
Risk Management page on our website.

https://validtreerisk.help/Risk-Management

This work was prompted by a Validator asking for some client

guidance.

As

with the other Strategies and publications, we've waived
copyright, and it's shared under a creative commons licence.

The difference between the Landowner & School Strategies is the
size of land and number of staff.

Landowner
Many staff who spend a lot of time working outside have been
trained as Basic Validators.  Like the University of Dundee.

School
Usually, one or two caretakers who spend some time working

outside

and haven't been trained as Basic Validators.  When they're
outside, they

carry

out Passive Assessment by keeping an eye out for Obvious Tree

Risk

Features; particularly after storms.

Cheers

Acer Ventura




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