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Re: Tree failure & fatality

Subject: Re: Tree failure & fatality
From: Jerry Ross
Date: Jan 11 2022 08:35:43
...or perhaps, on the scale of calculable/estimable  probabilities, one that is so unlikely as to be incapable of being foreseen and prevented in any way that could be regarded as being reasonably practicable.

Although more probably (especially for public and commercial bodies) one of your definitions is likely to be nearer the mark...



On 10/01/2022 21:09, Michael Richardson wrote:
How is a "freak accident" defined?

= we never did what we said we were going to do
= we never inspected a single tree
= we do not manage our trees
= we like to be paid but take no responsibility
= you do not understand how busy we are
= we have no budget for trees

etc., etc.


Michael Richardson B.Sc.F., BCMA
Ontario MTCU Qualified Arborist
Richardson Tree Care
Richardsontreecare.ca
613-475-2877
800-769-9183

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On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 3:55 PM Wayne Tyson<wt750mv@xxxxxx.com>  wrote:

How is a "freak accident" defined?

WT

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 2:27 AM Jon Heuch<jh@xxxxxxxx.co.uk>  wrote:

It is interesting to read these three reports which slipped into the
media
just before Christmas as far as I can see:



The newspaper has some vital evidence which suggests that the council had
received reports but not done anything/sufficient. The HSE reports the
facts
of the matter as prosecutor. The council's website reads "council
fined"..after a "freak accident". Is this not something of a
contradiction
-
a freak accident doesn't lead to a fine (?).  Coroner recorded an
accidental
verdict. The leader of the council's statement appears to acknowledge
shortcomings.





https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/dog-walker-killed-t
ree-council-6393580
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https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/dog-walker-killed-tree-council-6393580





https://www.hse-network.com/council-prosecuted-after-member-of-the-public-ki

lled-by-falling-tree/#:~:text=Prosecution%20Staffordshire%20County%20Council

%20of%201%20Staffordshire%20Place%2C,of%20the%20Health%20and%20Safety%20at%2
0Work%20Act
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https://www.hse-network.com/council-prosecuted-after-member-of-the-public-killed-by-falling-tree/#:~:text=Prosecution%20Staffordshire%20County%20Council%20of%201%20Staffordshire%20Place%2C,of%20the%20Health%20and%20Safety%20at%20Work%20Act
.





https://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/Newsroom/Articles/2021/12-December/Council-
fined-over-accidental-death.aspx
<
https://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/Newsroom/Articles/2021/12-December/Council-fined-over-accidental-death.aspx



If the council does have a relevant "Code of Practice" it is not easily
found on their website - in fact I can't find any reference to council
owned
trees at all. Anyone seen a copy?





Jon






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