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RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: Tree condition Damage to infrastructure and built works

Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: Tree condition Damage to infrastructure and built works
From: rodleslie@xxxxxxxxxxx.com
Date: Jan 11 2022 17:09:41
You are, of course right, Bill – and there’s no doubt whatsoever that the 
pavement damage is significant and as you rightly say a real risk – and like 
you, I’ve experience from pushing my Mother in a wheelchair, and as you say, 
it really opens your eyes to the problems. Its also illogical to think 
pruning will help. For me it raises two clear issues – firstly, surely we can 
(and I think in places are) do better over design. We can put a man on the 
moon – is it that great a challenge. Secondly, trees will get too big, cause 
problems etc and protocols for replacement are surely the answer – measuring 
our towns and cities by canopy cover makes sense and potentially allows for 
sensible turnover. Fortunately there’s increasing awareness of how trees 
ameliorate the concrete jungle.

Rod 

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From: Bill Anderson
Sent: 11 January 2022 16:06
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Tree condition Damage to infrastructure and built 
works

The complaints in the article Rod were not only about house damage but also
pavement distortion (mobility scooters tipped over?) And if you look at the
photos the trees are all growing in areas covered in tarmac, not even a
grass verge to break the sealed surfaces. So where are these trees growing
roots to access resources? Gawdalonenose... Rodney of course was almost
certainly right about insurers not wanting to spend the money to right the
faults in the buildings but as the Sheffield dispute showed, Councils
aren't really free to address the tree problem as the householders might
like, even if they had the resources.

Incidentally, my opinions about uneven pavements have changed significantly
since a friend became a wheelchair user. On the odd occasion when I've
pushed him to the pub I've been terrified of tipping him out and he's
sufficiently teriffied to refuse use of a mobility scooter.

Tricky one, and I'm not sure that a more-frequent pruning program would
remedy the situation.


On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 15:25, rodleslie@xxxxxxxxxxx.com <
uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info> wrote:

Looking at the photos the idea the buildings were being damaged by trees
staggered me. Yes, roots can spread well beyond the canopy, but there are
limits – and these houses looked way beyond them. I don’t claim any arb
expertise – but 2 weeks driving round the NE with Rodney Helliwel was quite
an education – and he said, as I’m sure most of you will know, that
insurance companies love to blame trees because its so much cheaper than
solving the actual problem – this looks like a case in point.

Rod

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From: oldoaktree@xxxxxxxxx.net
Sent: 11 January 2022 13:24
To: UK Tree Care
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: Tree condition Damage to infrastructure and
built works

I know this street.

The trees are a very nice part of it, and it significantly increases the
nicety of this street as many close by are too narrow for any street trees.

Subsidence cases in the area are very rare.

I'd be more inclined to say that damage to buildings is more to do with
building design, perhaps the trees having a slight influence.

Plenty of earthquakes around here also from collapsing mines!

Cheers

Dave

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From: uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info 
<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
On Behalf Of Jerry Ross
Sent: 11 January 2022 11:26
To: UK Tree Care <uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Tree condition Damage to infrastructure and
built works

*"1:50 000 scale bedrock geology description: *Pennine Middle Coal
Measures Formation - Mudstone, Siltstone And Sandstone. Sedimentary Bedrock
formed approximately 310 to 318 million years ago in the Carboniferous
Period. Local environment previously dominated by swamps, estuaries and
deltas."

If it's like the mud/siltstone round here it'll be Low PI - mostly between
10 & 20.
(Although we're on brownstones of the Old Red Sandstone rather than Coal
Measures at Sneyd Green)


On 11/01/2022 11:00, Howe, Ron wrote:
So, what is the geology in the locality?

Ron Howe
Tree Officer (Planning)
Mole Valley District Council
Tel. 01306 XXX XXX
Website -www.molevalley.gov.uk


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Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Tree condition Damage to infrastructure and
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It needs proper arb and structural engineer investigation to prove the
trees are responsible for the cracks in the houses.
Given size of trees I would err on the side of doubt it, but who knows.

Phillip

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<uktc-request@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>  On Behalf Of Wayne Tyson
Sent: 10 January 2022 00:43
To: UK Tree Care<uktc@xxxxxx.tree-care.info>
Subject: Tree condition Damage to infrastructure and built works

Honorable Forum:

I am most interested in your individual "takes" on this particular
issue, as well as the issue in general.

Ever grateful,
WT
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/calls-fell-tr
ees-damaging-homes-6268903



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